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		<title>Comment on Graded Browser Support Update: Q3 2009 by Mitch R.</title>
		<link>http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2009/07/02/gbs-update-20090702/comment-page-1/#comment-582245</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How come you claim a sub-1% global market share for Opera, while your source (StatCounter) places it at &lt;a href="http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-monthly-200902-200906-bar" rel="nofollow"&gt;above 3% globally&lt;/a&gt; (and &lt;a href="http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-eu-monthly-200902-200906-bar" rel="nofollow"&gt;8% in Europe&lt;/a&gt;)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How come you claim a sub-1% global market share for Opera, while your source (StatCounter) places it at <a href="http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-monthly-200902-200906-bar" rel="nofollow">above 3% globally</a> (and <a href="http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-eu-monthly-200902-200906-bar" rel="nofollow">8% in Europe</a>)?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Configuring Your Machine For Testing With A Screen Reader by Mozilla Webdev » Blog Archive » Improving Accessibility Through ARIA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mozilla Webdev » Blog Archive » Improving Accessibility Through ARIA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Graded Browser Support Update: Q3 2009 by Jason Huck</title>
		<link>http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2009/07/02/gbs-update-20090702/comment-page-1/#comment-582226</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Huck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify, as I think Eric understood, I'm not questioning the _rationale_ behind Yahoo's QA strategy. The sad truth is that, in most cases, we have no choice but to continue supporting IE6 for the foreseeable future. 

However, IMO, when someone with Yahoo's influence publishes a table like this every quarter and labels certain browsers as "A-Grade", "C-Grade", etc., it's those labels, and the obvious connotations that people derive from them, that persist; the intent behind the data is lost on many. 

That's only compounded by the fact that there is no _definitive_ counterpart to this list; something that IS, in fact, a rating of a browser's standards support, performance, and innovation -- not just for developers, but for end users. The closest thing I can think of would be ACID test scores, but that's not a complete evaluation and doesn't provide specific recommendations. 

It might be interesting to see an organization such as Yahoo! establish evaluation criteria for rating browsers on actual merit instead of unfortunate circumstance -- not as part of a QA strategy, but to help drive adoption.

- jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, as I think Eric understood, I&#8217;m not questioning the _rationale_ behind Yahoo&#8217;s QA strategy. The sad truth is that, in most cases, we have no choice but to continue supporting IE6 for the foreseeable future. </p>
<p>However, IMO, when someone with Yahoo&#8217;s influence publishes a table like this every quarter and labels certain browsers as &#8220;A-Grade&#8221;, &#8220;C-Grade&#8221;, etc., it&#8217;s those labels, and the obvious connotations that people derive from them, that persist; the intent behind the data is lost on many. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s only compounded by the fact that there is no _definitive_ counterpart to this list; something that IS, in fact, a rating of a browser&#8217;s standards support, performance, and innovation &#8212; not just for developers, but for end users. The closest thing I can think of would be ACID test scores, but that&#8217;s not a complete evaluation and doesn&#8217;t provide specific recommendations. </p>
<p>It might be interesting to see an organization such as Yahoo! establish evaluation criteria for rating browsers on actual merit instead of unfortunate circumstance &#8212; not as part of a QA strategy, but to help drive adoption.</p>
<p>- jason</p>
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		<title>Comment on Graded Browser Support Update: Q3 2009 by Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2009/07/02/gbs-update-20090702/comment-page-1/#comment-582224</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look at &lt;em&gt;StatCounter’s Global Stats&lt;/em&gt; for the last month, you will see that the developer preview of &lt;em&gt;Opera Unite&lt;/em&gt; really spiked Opera’s market share! ;) At least in Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at <em>StatCounter’s Global Stats</em> for the last month, you will see that the developer preview of <em>Opera Unite</em> really spiked Opera’s market share! ;) At least in Europe.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Graded Browser Support Update by Graded Browser Support Update: Q3 2009 » Yahoo! User Interface Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2008/07/03/gbs-update-20080703/comment-page-1/#comment-582223</link>
		<dc:creator>Graded Browser Support Update: Q3 2009 » Yahoo! User Interface Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] GBS Update, 2008-07-03 [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Graded Browser Support Update: Q3 2009 by Nolan Caudill</title>
		<link>http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2009/07/02/gbs-update-20090702/comment-page-1/#comment-582222</link>
		<dc:creator>Nolan Caudill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started writing a comment for this post, but it got a smidge lengthy, so I finished it up &lt;a href="http://nolancaudill.com/index.php/2009/07/02/ie6-will-never-go-away-it-seems/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started writing a comment for this post, but it got a smidge lengthy, so I finished it up <a href="http://nolancaudill.com/index.php/2009/07/02/ie6-will-never-go-away-it-seems/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Graded Browser Support Update: Q3 2009 by Eric Miraglia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Miraglia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh - Capability and marketshare are both part of the equation.  Safari on iPhone OS is a complicated case.  In our data, this browser does not yet represent 1% of the market, and nowhere does it penetrate a region the way Opera does with Russia and eastern Europe.  Moreover, there are common development hooks that are available on a typical desktop PC but not with a touchscreen-only interface.  Does it make sense to  drop this browser into the same testing matrix that you use for the big-screen browsers?  I respect that not everyone's answer would be the same on this, and it's a credit to how good the iPhone is that it's even an interesting conversation. But our answer today is no -- or, at least, not yet. More on our thinking in the post itself.  -Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh &#8211; Capability and marketshare are both part of the equation.  Safari on iPhone OS is a complicated case.  In our data, this browser does not yet represent 1% of the market, and nowhere does it penetrate a region the way Opera does with Russia and eastern Europe.  Moreover, there are common development hooks that are available on a typical desktop PC but not with a touchscreen-only interface.  Does it make sense to  drop this browser into the same testing matrix that you use for the big-screen browsers?  I respect that not everyone&#8217;s answer would be the same on this, and it&#8217;s a credit to how good the iPhone is that it&#8217;s even an interesting conversation. But our answer today is no &#8212; or, at least, not yet. More on our thinking in the post itself.  -Eric</p>
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		<title>Comment on Graded Browser Support Update: Q3 2009 by Josh L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the confusion about what A or X grade actually means might stem from statements like this:

"Is Safari for the iPhone OS an A-grade browser? Our answer: No..."

The question makes it sound like the capabilities of the browser determine its grade, instead of asking if the browser's market share warrants A-grade support from YUI (as is the case with IE6).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the confusion about what A or X grade actually means might stem from statements like this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Is Safari for the iPhone OS an A-grade browser? Our answer: No&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The question makes it sound like the capabilities of the browser determine its grade, instead of asking if the browser&#8217;s market share warrants A-grade support from YUI (as is the case with IE6).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Graded Browser Support Update: Q3 2009 by Eric Miraglia</title>
		<link>http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2009/07/02/gbs-update-20090702/comment-page-1/#comment-582218</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Miraglia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian -- Part of the goal with GBS is to maximize your testing mileage in a sane way -- because testing every browser/os combination is expensive.  So, we recommend continuing to support 3.2 because 4.0 is so new, but to shift the bulk of your testing resources to 4.0.  Safari 4.0.x is now the current browser and a free upgrade on both 10.4 and 10.5, and 10.5 has been out for more than 4 years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#Versions).  In the real world, the expectation is that your testing of 3.2 on OS 10.5 should give you a good idea of the experience your 10.4 users are having. -Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian &#8212; Part of the goal with GBS is to maximize your testing mileage in a sane way &#8212; because testing every browser/os combination is expensive.  So, we recommend continuing to support 3.2 because 4.0 is so new, but to shift the bulk of your testing resources to 4.0.  Safari 4.0.x is now the current browser and a free upgrade on both 10.4 and 10.5, and 10.5 has been out for more than 4 years (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#Versions)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#Versions)</a>.  In the real world, the expectation is that your testing of 3.2 on OS 10.5 should give you a good idea of the experience your 10.4 users are having. -Eric</p>
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		<title>Comment on Graded Browser Support Update: Q3 2009 by Brian LePore</title>
		<link>http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2009/07/02/gbs-update-20090702/comment-page-1/#comment-582217</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian LePore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but why is Safari 3.2 supported on 10.5, but not on 10.4?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m reading it wrong, but why is Safari 3.2 supported on 10.5, but not on 10.4?</p>
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